By: Revanche

Income as power and a more Zen perspective

March 28, 2016

I wrote a response to Nicole and Maggie’s question: How do you balance the importance of your salary with the importance of your partner’s?

But the site wouldn’t accept my comment either because WP.com is weird or I went way off track and it’s judging me. Whatever the case may be…

I’ve been single longer than married and that heavily influences my answer, as much as peering into some key past experiences.

How much does your earning power matter? My salary, Version 1.0

Just after high school, I started a minimum wage job full time. My parents were skeptical, college was due to start in a few months, but trusted my judgment juggling work and school.

Sidebar: Lucky for them, and lucky for me, that I took that job. It kept us afloat for the next four years.

A friend of a coworker was in her mid-40s when she joined our staff. It was an entry-level, no experience required, training on the job situation. She had no work experience. In her late teens or early 20s, she married a man who made the money and wanted a good looker on his arm to bear him children. Her job was to make him look good by looking good, raise the kids, and have an acceptable hobby or two to keep herself entertained. Her job benefits were a roof over her head and food on the table (that she cooked, of course).

At some point, and before he replaced her with a younger model, she realized she wanted to actually live a life while she had any hope of one. Giving it all up, she went to work for the first time and sank like a stone. I was in charge of training her and it took months for her to learn all the things people have to learn about the workplace, many years later than they do. Eventually even she, who was hardest on herself, was proud of how good she’d gotten.

That lesson was burned into my soul.

My salary, Version 2.0

In truth, I don’t think it’s just one single decision, it just looks like it. Over those 20+ years, she would have make that decision more than once not to work. But the sum total is that she trusted him to take care of her, and didn’t consider the bargain a poor one, until it was quite late.

Kids were not an option back then but for sure I didn’t want to be a stay at home me. My temperament was not suited for childcare. Mom was more than ready for grandkids but my mind, body, and soul needed to hustle and earn. Besides, I had more than enough to take care of: Mom and her illness, Dad and his badly hidden depression, Trainwreck Sibling and his multitudinous mistakes in life.

By the time PiC came into the picture, I’d been on the grind for what felt like a lifetime. 80 hour work weeks, school, family, my plate was full, stacked atop another full plate, and precariously wedged between a thumb and a finger while the other hand walked the dogs. Fresh at a new job and out of school, “only” working full time now, my earning power was laughable. Rather than wanting to lean on him, my pride was pricked. Until I could match, and overmatch, his salary, I didn’t consider us on equal ground.

We had widely disparate backgrounds and it mattered.

I hated that I was the poor girl from the poor family that had never had money while he came from a real upper middle class family that was quite comfortable and had never gone without a meal. Months before we met, I was still living off my puny earned wages, eating one meal a day, and our economic class differences burned.

It didn’t matter to him, it never mattered to him, but it did to me.

He didn’t know it for years because it also felt like a shameful weakness. So I buried it, and I earned. And I earned. I negotiated and earned some more. There were many other good reasons to do that, and they were much more important, but looking through the view of the relationship glass? I needed to make my way in the world, I needed to blaze my way, to prove my worth to myself before I would allow anyone, any man, or any man’s parent, question my worth, ever again.

I’d dated boys whose rich and racist parents weren’t shy about telling me that I was less-than-worthy, “because the Chinese are far better than the [insert any other Asian race here]”, and damned if I was going to let that shake me again.

I’d had a crawful of being demeaned and it taught me a simple lesson: if they didn’t respect you when you had no money, that’s not respect now that you do have money. (But go get the money anyway.)

My salary, Version 3.0

I went after the money for a lot of reasons. Survival. Self respect. Confidence. Achievement. Pure buying power. Investing power. Security. Most of those reasons still apply now. It’s less fraught, though.

At this stage of our money journey, PiC’s and my salaries are both respectably high and nearly on par. Together, we can afford our lives here, we can save, and take care of family. On one salary, we would survive but things would be much less pleasant. One salary would have to outpace the other by at least 50% before we’d even consider relying solely on one salary. I’m not sure what we’d decide at that point.

Philosophically, I still value earning power as an expression of my worth more than not. It gives me a competitive edge in the workplace but, mostly, it should be left there. PiC values it as an expression of money in the bank and the ability to buy foods and things. That’s better than the other way around, I expect.

How about you? Do you associate your worth with your earning power? Would you feel comfortable relying on a partner if you had that option? 

*Part of Financially Savvy Saturdays on brokeGIRLrich, Disease Called Debt and Thrifty Meets Spendy

34 Responses to “Income as power and a more Zen perspective”

  1. Karen says:

    I think I would be ok relying on my partner for a bit if it meant I was trying to get a business off the ground or something similar. Because I was so unhappy with my job situation last year, I was very close to quitting without anything lined up. My partner and I had discussed the possibility of living off of his salary, which would have been a little bit tight because we were getting married later on in the year. Thankfully, I was able to get another job before I quit. Prior to that, I almost always quit without a backup plan, which I still feel to this day, has hurt me a bit financially.

    • Revanche says:

      How many times have you quit without a backup plan? How long did it take you to get back on your feet / another job? I’m curious because I think I’ve only done that once, I’m super risk averse 🙂

  2. Linda says:

    I’d LOVE to be able to rely on a partner, but only for a short time. I’m not comfortable with the imbalance that comes from having only one working partner in a relationship. Someone always ends up feeling used and resentful, and it’s not always the person who is the earner.

    • NZ Muse says:

      Yes. I would not be comfortable being a stay home parent (though between dog and my own home it’s starting to look more appealing) but damn I would love to have the OPTION, you know what I mean?

      I must admit I probably do associate my worth with my earning power, more than I should. Because life is expensive.

    • Revanche says:

      Having the option would be great, right? But yes, even after all this time, I’d still not be comfortable with being a non-income earner long-term. The very thought makes me squirm.

  3. Cassie says:

    I do associate some of my worth with my earning potential, but not all of it. I had a stay at home mom for most of my childhood, so I’m not in full opposition to it, but I don’t feel it’s the right move for myself at the moment. It puts a lot of stress and responsibility on the shoulders of the breadwinner. Do I know that my husband would support us if I stayed home? Of course. Just like I would support him if he decided to do the same. I do feel like there would be external pressure to have the perfect home if I wasn’t working though, and quite frankly I can do without that.
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    • Revanche says:

      Agreed. I’ve known more than a couple stay at home parents (even during a time that SAHD were incredibly rare in our area) so the idea itself of a parent / person choosing to stay home is fine but just not for me.

  4. I try not to associate my worth with income. However, I really, really value independence and the ability to take care of myself, which means working for money. I agree with Cassie that if I stayed home, I would feel more pressure to keep a perfect house. It’s not even societal pressure because we don’t often have visitors but if I’m home all day, even with kids, I would put pressure on myself to clean more often, and I think an endless cycle of cleaning, cooking, laundry, cleaning, more cleaning, etc.. would drive me insane.
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    • Revanche says:

      “…an endless cycle of cleaning, cooking, laundry, cleaning, more cleaning, etc.. would drive me insane.”

      Agreed! I’d like to imagine a fulfilled creative life if I weren’t working for money but somehow I think it’d devolve into the above.

  5. I am currently leaning on my husband but also have a Patreon and am starting a very wee business. I’ve noticed that as much as I hate beating my worth on what I earn, having money that I earned myself makes a huge difference to my self eaten and depression.

  6. Wow thanks for sharing so much about your background and how your thoughts (and progression) about earnings. I have an entrepreneurial bug that won’t go away, so even if my wife worked full-time and I “stayed at home” I would still probably think of some business idea or some line of work that I would pursue. I think that’s why I would never want to be a stay at home Dad. I would never feel 100% dedicated to my children!
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    • Revanche says:

      Honestly, my mental image of a stay at home parent doesn’t mean you don’t work at all. Chalk it up to my slight workaholism but also realistically, the kids won’t be in the “100% dependent on you” stage for very long. It’s great to have something to work on in those times you don’t have to do household things and the kids are off in school!

  7. Right now my partner is telling me that it’s OK not to contribute to shared finances if I want to write a book. Yet part of me feels bad about taking him up on that, so I haven’t — yet.

    I want to earn more, but as I get older I want to work less. Awkward.
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    • Revanche says:

      Selfishly, my reaction is: oh but please do take him up on that!

      And it’s way too early to feel this way but already I totally empathize with your desire to work less. And yet also earn more. Awkward indeed!

  8. Thanks for continuing the discussion and for the link!
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  9. SP says:

    I want to be able to provide for our family, and to be “comfortable”. After that, while more money would be great, I don’t think it would actually make anyone any happier at this point. So, salary is equal to power for me only up to the point of having the power to care for myself & things that need to be cared for. Beyond that point, more earning power is just really really nice.

    If I stayed home (unlikely!), i would feel pressure only to work hard. If I was working hard, yet our house was no more clean/perfect than it is today, I don’t think i’d feel much guilt. If I had hours of free time during the day and still couldn’t manage a better house, I’d feel guilty! And I kinda would be guilty, unless there was some reason the arrangement made sense!

    Outside of salary, my job DOES gives me a sense of worth that would be harder to find elsewhere – but it isn’t tied so closely to salary as to the more intangible rewards.

    • Revanche says:

      “Outside of salary, my job DOES gives me a sense of worth that would be harder to find elsewhere – but it isn’t tied so closely to salary as to the more intangible rewards.”

      I also find this to be true for me insofar as it’s harder to find a general non-work reason to declare I’m Awesome!

  10. I couldn’t even imagine relying on my partner’s income. In part, this is because of family history stuff (mother got burned by father money-wise). Also I’ve never had a partner who has earned more than a fraction of my income, so the option itself is pretty foreign to my brain.

    I’ve definitely associated my worth with my earning power. This is particularly bad on days I’m not feeling keen about my line of work.

    • Revanche says:

      I hate to say it’s true of our family as well but in my view, Mom was also burned by Dad’s money choices, so that’s a huge influence on my money perspective.

  11. Knox Vlogs says:

    I don’t really associate my worth with my earning power. As long as I earn enough to pay for my half of our expenses (and a few fun things throughout the month), I’m perfectly fine with making half of what my partner makes. When I think about it (which I try not to do, heh), I associate my worth with how my job is contributing to the community. As an example, I felt on top of the world as a newspaper journalist (even at $19,700 a year with NO BENEFITS) because I thought I was making a real difference in the community where I worked and that a free press was So Important. Now I’m a human resources assistant, and I never feel like what I’m doing is meaningful enough. (p.s. Does this obnoxious “my work needs to MEAN something” feeling go away at some point?)

    I would feel comfortable relying on my partner’s income for a short period of time, though all the hypothetical scenarios I imagine make me wonder, “Wait, why wouldn’t I have saved enough money to make that possible without requiring financial support?” But I know I couldn’t do it longterm just because I’m very independent and need to feel like I’m pulling my weight. Plus, I’m one of those people who worries that retirement will be boring. I don’t think cleaning our house, cooking meals and tending to the cat would occupy enough of my time.

    • Revanche says:

      “Does this obnoxious “my work needs to MEAN something” feeling go away at some point?”

      To some degree, my focusing on the money aspect is how I ignore THAT question which is much harder to answer. Maybe it does go away? I don’t know, I’m still pretending that I don’t have to answer it 🙂

  12. Mrs. CTC says:

    I don’t think I associate my worth with my earning power, I do however associate my power in life with my earning power. It enables me to make my own decisions. If I would be dependent on anyone or anything for my income (other than an employer, of course), that would make me very anxious. I need to keep matters into my own hand, in as far as possible.

    For this reason I would never want to rely on my partner’s income alone, nor would I be happy to see it the other way around. That is such a responsibility to bear, I like the safety net of two incomes.

  13. Miss Thrifty says:

    Interesting piece and I love that you’ve included your views about money and salary through different phases of your life.

    I totally associate my salary and earning power with something I really shouldn’t, my self-worth. I hate it, but it’s true. I know that in every job I’ve been undervalued and undercompensated and it’s hard not to let that enter into your psyche.

    I do know that I would not be comfortable not bringing home some bacon or bringing something to the table in my relationship. I grew up with parents who were equal earners and I think that’s a model I’d like to try to reproduce.

    • Revanche says:

      Having to fight for fair compensation at every job is definitely hard on the psyche.

      Equal earning does seem like an ideal model if you do feel strongly about contributing monetarily.

  14. Ruth says:

    We are in our late 50’s. When we were young I made more than my husband; now we are about equal. If he had been out earning me when we were young, I may have taken time off to be a SAHM but it really never was a viable financial option here. Now, we are in the high-earning years and are paying tuition bills for the kids (which we can afford). We see ourselves as an economic unit; we do what is best for the team at that time.

  15. I don’t really associate my worth with my earning power, which is why theoretically I’d be alright with relying on a partner’s income as long as we decided that as a team. But my children are grown and my wife isn’t in need of a trophy husband. In this retirement phase of my life, it isn’t so much about income as it is about keeping busy.
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