By: Revanche

Credit card churning update: March 2018

March 28, 2018

State of our Credit Card Churn: March 2018Back in ’15, I decided to slow churn cards on a regular basis, even if we didn’t have a specific trip goal in mind.

Quick notes:

  • We still don’t have a specific trip in mind yet but I have my sights set on some kind of an international trip next year. For about 5 seconds I wildly dreamed about hiking through Patagonia but my body reminded where I live. Hahah, no. Dammit.
  • For the purposes of figuring out whether we’ve wasted money on a card or not, I’m estimating the total value of our miles or points for each card to make sure that we are earning at least our minimum profit per churned card but we won’t know the true value until we actually redeem them.
  • We haven’t been respecting the “no annual fee” rule for the past several cards as long as the miles or points bonuses were at least worth twice as much as the annual fee, if not four times as much.
  • We ALWAYS pay the card balances in full. No exceptions.
  • We time our churning activity with necessary spending. We never manufacture unnecessary spending for a card bonus. We’ll pass on a card before we do that. I keep a spreadsheet to track expected large expenses for this.

Current totals

AlaskaAir (miles valued at 1.3 cents): 204,001 and $120 in travel credits.
Chase Ultimate rewards: 308,930
Starpoints: 161,620

2017 Card Breakdown

Chase Sapphire Reserve, hers
Cost: $900
Bonus, 2017: 100,000 points (worth $1000 cash or $1250 in travel redemptions)
Global entry pass, 2017: $100
Travel credit, 2017: $300
Lounge pass, 2017: $176 (four adults)
Travel credit, 2018: $300
Travel credit, 2019: $300*
Total credits: $2176
Profit: $1276
Status: Active, cancel before 02/01/2019 after redeeming the travel credit
Worth it? Did not meet ratio at 1.42 but we did profit. Less so than if I had canceled this year before the annual fee but I hadn’t gotten my act together on booking travel for 2018 in time. It’ll improve as long as I grab that $300 credit in Jan 2019 and cancel immediately.

Chase Sapphire Reserve, his
Cost: $450
Bonus, 2017: 100,000 points ($1000)
Global entry pass, 2017: $100
Travel credit, 2017: $300
Travel credit, 2018: $300
Total credits: $1700
Profit: $1250
Status: Cancelled
Worth it? Yes, by a hair (2.77 ratio).

Alaska Air, his
Cost: $75

Bonus, 2017: 35,000 or $455 value
Companion fare offer redeemed, 2017: $389.84
Free checked bags: $50
Total credits: $894.84
Profit: $819.84
Status: Active, cancel before 9/30/2018
Worth it?
Yes, 10.93 ratio

Alaska Air, hers
Cost: $75
Bonus, 2017: 30,000 or $390 value
Companion fare offer still good until 08-13-2018
Profit: TBD, $315 so far
Status: Active, cancel before 07/31/2018
Worth it?
Yes, 4.2 ratio

2017 Summary

Total costs: $1500
Total benefit value: $4635.84
Total profits: $3135.84

Last year’s mix of cards was worth it but the profits on the Chase Sapphire Reserve weren’t as fantastic solely because I let my card go for a second year and didn’t need to use many of its other benefits. I’ve ignored the regular earnings on spending because all my cards are rewards cards. We earn points on all spending regardless of the card.

I might consider changing it to a Chase Sapphire or I might just cancel outright and churn a new Chase Sapphire for PiC instead to keep the travel benefit. Thoughts?

2018 cards

Since all my credit reports are frozen, future churning will only be under PiC’s name for the foreseeable future.

We will keep on churning the Alaska Air cards because they have fantastic ROI overall between the bonus, companion pass, and the free checked bags for cardholders. Other than that, I’m on the hunt for great new card bonuses.

We are partial to collecting the points we already have (SPG and Chase Ultimate Rewards) since they’re flexible and more is better, but we’re also open to the other brands we might need in locations that don’t have SPG.

I’m considering a couple HawaiianAir cards with the following benefits:

– 35,000 bonus HawaiianMiles for $1,000 spend in first 90 days.
– 1-time 50% off discount toward one published roundtrip coach fare for a Companion. One-time 50% off discount is valid for 13 months from account open date.
– Complimentary First Checked Bag
Annual fee: $89

If we did this one later in the year, twice, we could earn enough miles to pay for two of our tickets and pay 50% for JB’s, for a trip to Hawaii sometime in 2019, assuming they let us purchase a Companion ticket with money if the Cardmember’s flight was an miles redemption. I’ll find out.

IF THEY DO: Pricing for flights are available through Feb and a week in Hawaii in Feb 2019 would run around $550. Two annual fees ($89*2)+ on 50% off flight (~$275) = ~ $500 for 3 tickets. Or we could churn 3 cards and get it for 3 annual fees = $267. That’s a much better price for 3 flights to Hawaii!

:: Do you have your eye on any great card bonuses this year? I’m open to less location specific cards.

14 Responses to “Credit card churning update: March 2018”

  1. Jim Wang says:

    We did what you did – front load a lot of points even though we didn’t have a need (also, in our case, we did Chase UR and SPG) but one day we will take the whole family to Disney super cheap!

    No point bonuses this year though, I don’t like the churning game (going after bonuses and hopping around on cards) because it’s a little too much work to keep track… but we hope to keep accruing Southwest points to get Companion Pass again.

    • Revanche says:

      “Disney” and “super cheap” aren’t usually together in the same sentence 😀

      I usually churn a very targeted amount – no more than I can spare the attention for. I know people who manage a lot more than me but I just want my little slice 😉

  2. I would have PiC open a Chase Sapphire and transfer your UR points over to that. Or at least downgrade your Reserve to a Freedom so you don’t lose your UR pool. The cash back travel redemption rates for UR points are Freedom (1 cent/point) < Sapphire (1.25) < Reserve (1.5) so if you did have any travel plans in mind, it makes sense to try to book those tickets while the Reserve is active.

    Also, I've found that unfreezing my credit for churning is much easier than I thought it'd be. If you have your PIN's in a readily accessible place, it takes like a minute to do a temporary lift online. The biggest annoyance is paying the lift fee (in our state it's $5), so I check Doctor of Credit to see which credit cards pull which credit reports.
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    • Revanche says:

      Ok you bring up a point I haven’t ever considered – why would we lose our UR points if we close the card? I thought they went into our UR bank and stayed there. We do have a Chase bank account so we still bank with them – I assume that maybe keeps them safe?

      Unfortunately it costs me $10 to freeze, lift, and refreeze. So $20 each time for every report – I don’t know how to know which ones to lift for a credit card application. I guess I could ask them…

  3. I love how you did the math on whether each card is worth it.

    I’m looking at the Alaska card myself, because it seems useful for international flights (Australia, etc.). But I’m not sure I’d use the companion fare, except maybe for going to Hawaii??? Where else can you go with it that’s fairly expensive?

    I tried to get my husband the Chase Ink Business to replenish our Chase points, but I’m not sure he’ll get approved since they’re asking for more business verification. The Starwood Preferred Business card also has a 35k bonus that ends today. We have a big expense coming up, so trying to take advantage since the min. spend is $7k in 3 months–yikes!!!

    I also think your husband should get the Chase Preferred. It’s still a good all-around card!

    • Revanche says:

      We’ve got to math it up here to be sure we’re not wasting our time 🙂

      The companion fare isn’t a given for us, I don’t normally count it as a value unless I know for sure we’re going to use it so that’s why it’s just a placeholder line above, and not a dollar value. We’ll use it for Hawaii and then we’ll see if we have another good use for it – perhaps the East Coast.

  4. Leigh says:

    First, I would say that the Reserve points are worth $1500 in travel redemption. The CSP points are worth 1.25 in the portal, but the CSR ones are worth 1.5.

    We kept my CSR and downgraded my husband’s to a Freedom Unlimited. The 1.5 points per dollar spent are a nice combination with the CSR making all points worth 1.5 in the travel portal, making the return 2.25%.

    I don’t think the no annual fee Sapphire is a very worthwhile card. The catch with the Sapphires too is that you need to have not had any Sapphire cards for 24 months to get another one. I don’t know when you cancelled PiC’s, but I doubt you could get another one for him until 2019.

    We haven’t gotten any new credit cards for a while, but we are still sitting on 200k UR points which is awesome! We mostly use them for flights so I’m excited to see what we will end up using them for. 🙂
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    • Revanche says:

      I had no idea the CSR points were worth more in travel redemption! How did I totally miss that …

      We’re not in a rush to get him another CSR, we have mine for one more year for the other benefits and then I’ll cancel mine in early 2019. We could get him another one later in 2019 if we really want it but it has to be truly worth it.

  5. Joe says:

    Wow, that’s a ton of points. You guys should take a nice trip next year.
    We’re starting to work on our points again. I signed up for too many cards last year…

  6. Vicky says:

    If you want a Hawaiian card, don’t settle for the 35k offer. There are regularly 50k offers and you can normally trigger said offer by logging into your Hawaiian card and doing a dummy booking.

    If you don’t really travel would you not just be better off accumulating on a 2% cash back card? I regularly churn myself and have a reasonable stack of points, but I assign zero value to them regardless of how many first class flights I’ve redeemed as they can easily disappear tomorrow, unlike the cash back.

    Also SPG card is probably not going to be that worthwhile in view of the Marriott takeover and their release of information on the new program.

    • Revanche says:

      “There are regularly 50k offers and you can normally trigger said offer by logging into your Hawaiian card and doing a dummy booking.”

      Good to know!

      We do travel, several times a year, it just hasn’t coincided with our points accumulation lately for various reasons. I haven’t read through all the earnings rules with the SPG card but I know we’ll be open to changing out that card going forward as well.

  7. Vicky says:

    These are the conditions for the Hawaiian companion ticket. You mentioned the possibility of redeeming miles and using the companion certificate in conjunction, but the T&Cs specifically say this is not possible.

    Terms & Conditions for 50% off coach roundtrip MasterCard Discount for named HawaiianMiles Member (E Certificate # EC13095):
    • Offer valid for named HawaiianMiles member only.
    • E Certificate offer can only be redeemed by logging on to member account on appropriate web page at HawaiianAirlines.com.
    • Date of purchase, applicable routes and flights, & booking class limited to 13 months from MasterCard issuance date.
    • Discount will be applied only to the companion fare, which does not include taxes, fees, or surcharges.
    • Offer not valid on HawaiianMiles flight awards bookings.
    • Offer not valid on Neighbor Island flights.
    • Offer not valid for multi-city reservations.
    • Offer not valid on code share flights with participating airlines.
    • Offer not valid on First Class fares.
    • Discount cannot be applied to tickets already purchased.
    • Ticketing by E Ticket only. Fare and E Ticketing restrictions apply.
    • Fares are subject to availability. Government taxes and fees and carrier-imposed fees will be applied to each ticket purchase. Other restrictions apply. Additional baggage charges may apply.
    • Payment must be received upon confirmation.
    • Confirmed reservations only. No open tickets allowed.
    • Flights booked in H and K class of service may not qualify for other airline frequent flyer miles.
    • E certificate may not be combined with, applied to, or used in conjunction with any other discount, promotional offer or tour package.
    • E certificate is not transferable and has no cash value.
    • Lost or stolen E Certificates will not be replaced.
    • E Tickets are non-refundable. Unused E Tickets will be forfeited.
    • Primary cardholder and companion must be on the same flight record, fare and class of service and must travel on all flight segments together.
    • Date and routing changes may be made with applicable penalties and must be done through Reservations department.
    • Offer may be discontinued without notice
    • Other restrictions may apply.

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